Paula White, the televangelist who was appointed head of the White House Faith Office in the current administration, has a message for women: you must “submit” to men.

She was speaking in an interview on the rightwing channel Real America’s Voice when she told host Steve Gruber that she thinks it’s “exciting” that “men are the fastest returning to the church” after Gruber asked if the current president is leading people back to Christianity.

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“They are becoming the bedrock, which is how God designed…” she continued before Gruber interrupted.

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“But real men!” Gruber said, shaking his fist. “Men that stand up for their wives, for their families, for their churches, for their communities…”

“Because God has an order,” she said. “Look, the head of my household is my husband, Jonathan Cain. Period.”

“We have a loving, amazing relationship. But if there’s ever a time that a decision has to be made and we don’t agree on something, he’s the head,” she said. “It’s not hard to submit.”

“People were like, ‘Well, how could you have pastored or how could you have done this and stuff?'” she continued, alluding to how she’s a woman with a job as a televangelist telling women that they shouldn’t have that same authority over men. “By default, because two men failed and I was sent under spiritual authority to carry a load, which is very hard.”

“I’m an evangelist,” she said. “I’m an evangelist, a Bible teacher, and I’m an evangelist.”

She said that she is working for the president, who she claims has “been in ministry for 40 years and understands it.”

Last month, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow called out White for being the type of televangelist who asks for money on television in exchange for sending things like angels to people. The angel will “give you long life” and “be an enemy to your enemies,” among other things, White’s ad promised. White then explained how people could pay for this because “ministry takes money.”

“Hard-sell, big-money, pay-me-for-miracles televangelism is as old as television,” Maddow said. “But when it’s from the White House, when it’s a person hired as a special government employee of the U.S. government, someone running an office in the White House while selling miracles on the side? Well that’s a whole new day for governance.”

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